<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif">Sorry about that, like this? Wondered whether it was automatically trimmed or who managed it. Guess I got my answer. Thanks!</div>
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</div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">>Meshnet is a very good effort, but still has some ongoing security issues that need to be addressed.</span><p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The FAQ says the protocol used by Meshnet "is not anonymous, nor is it intended to be."<br>
(</span><a href="https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/FAQ#Is_Cjdns_anonymous.3F" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">https://wiki.projectmeshnet.org/FAQ#Is_Cjdns_anonymous.3F</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">)<br>
There are also many other problems documented with the Meshnet protocol. The white-paper says, "Not every problem listed has an existing solution and of the ones which do, many of the solutions are based on incompatible technology."<br>
(</span><a href="https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepaper.md#user-content-so-the-problems-are-already-solved" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepaper.md#user-content-so-the-problems-are-already-solved</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> )<br>
So this solution is not complete yet. But it is definitely good work and headed in the right direction!</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Thanks! I got interested after reading Ander's Sandberg's Transhuman page, I had no idea the community was so active.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Now about the anonymity, from what I read the protocol lets people know who is connected but not what kind of information is sent to try to avoid the kind of issues most DeepWeb/DarkNet protocols face which is that they promote illegal activities due to the fake identities and anonymity, I still don't know how good their approach is but they welcome any developer to submit their own ideas of how the new web should be.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In TOR, a far-reaching entity can monitor a very large number of ISPs and exit nodes to match traffic patterns between the sender (real IP and encrypted message) and the TOR exit node (fake IP and unencrypted message) to link the real IP with the unencrypted message. Although TOR is generally safe, there is no way to prevent a big enough monitoring system from catching everything.<br>
(</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)#cite_note-torproject-fail-both-ends-32" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)#cite_note-torproject-fail-both-ends-32</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In BitCoin, anybody can claim a bitcoin mere seconds after somebody announces it. The community of BitCoin nodes vote on whose claim they saw first. But a well-funded entity can create a large enough number of nodes in a single group or on the fastest backbones such that they can out-vote everybody and claim any BitCoin they want.<br>
(</span><a href="http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184427-one-bitcoin-group-now-controls-51-of-total-mining-power-threatening-entire-currencys-safety" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184427-one-bitcoin-group-now-controls-51-of-total-mining-power-threatening-entire-currencys-safety</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Agree that Tor and BitCoin have those issues and MeshNet definitely has its own, as you said it's an arms race on </span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">who can provide the highest level of security versus those that want to read it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">I'm curious on what would be the best scheme for humanity's future, especially know that brain-computer interfaces are making reading and rewriting memories a possibility. Should we strive for a world where there's a layer that allows complete privacy and anonymity and freedom to access any content we want or should we instead strive for a society where nothing's hidden, not even our thoughts and everything's freely accessed? It would promote honesty and make criminal thoughts or activities harder to commit but at the same time the idea of losing all privacy seems unappealing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">What are extropians thoughts on the matter? I'm curious.</span></p>
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