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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] hacked email<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On Nov 25, 2014 8:49 AM, "spike" <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>> We don't need military level security, just an indicator. Wouldn't that<br>> work?<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Why wouldn't your forging cousin have the same access as anyone else in your family to this? Given the situation, the table on the sending computer could have been looked up at the same time your cousin guessed the shared passwords<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja, the one-time pad would go only to five members of the circle. The rest of them probably aren’t compromised. The five have at least moderate computer skills, so I might try to set them up with an excel spreadsheet with a VLOOKUP feature and use the NOW() function. That would be easy to write.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Also, why wouldn't anything that inconvenient to use not get quickly abandoned - assuming you could talk everyone into using it in the first place?<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It needs to be super simple, ja. In the above example I just create a list of words in seven columns. The user opens the file and hits ctrl =, which is the calculate function. The spreadsheet hands back a word. The user writes the word in the file and hits send. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Also, that mother who deleted emails - are they still in her Trash folder? Many email clients "delete" by moving stuff to Trash, then auto-emptying Trash some undefined time later (often at least weeks).<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>She deleted everything and emptied the trash. She paid a computer service to clean her disk and get rid of everything, every cookie, everything not specifically identified as a program file or a personal document. Sigh. On the other hand, the most important information was saved, so I won’t lose too much sleep over it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Granted we might not get everyone to use any system regardless of how simple, so it is possible our best days are behind us with that group. This is too bad, because it was a rich vein indeed on the family history. We discovered a shameful truth: the man after whom I named my own son was a Tory. Apologies BillK, but that is a stigma, a dark stain which our family must bear with heavy hearts. But hey, it was a long time ago. Genealogy is not for the faint of heart.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>