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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Medical power of attorney for cryonicsts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=clickable>Ben</span><span class=detail> <<a href="mailto:bbenzai@yahoo.com">bbenzai@yahoo.com</a>></span> , 7/12/2014 12:20 PM:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>So what is the point of all these ethics panels? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Moan, C. E., & Heath, R. G. (1972). Septal stimulation for the initiation of heterosexual behavior in a homosexual male. <i>Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry</i>, <i>3</i>(1), 23-30.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'>ABSTRACT</span></strong><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#444444'> A 24-year-old male, overt homosexual, repeatedly hospitalized for chronic suicidal depression and found to have temporal lobe epilepsy, underwent a program of septal stimulation which resulted in subjectively reported and behaviorally observed states of pleasure, euphoria, relaxation, confidence, and sexual motivation. These responses were subsequently used to initiate heterosexual arousal and behavior. The findings have important implications for the treatment of some psychological disorders.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Dr Robert Heath and his team at Tulane University did a series of experiments with deep brain stimulation in the limbic system of human patients in the 60s and 70s. In this case they put electrodes into the "pleasure areas" of a gay depressed epileptic drug user which perked him up remarkably, and then they hired a prostitute to have sex with him. Success! Anders Sandberg<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You know what would happen: destitute straights would fake being suicidal gay, so that some wacky scientists would rig up a bunch of electrodes to the pleasure centers in the brain and bring in harlots to do tests on him. HEY cool, where do I sign up for that? {8^D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a thought experiment since we are on the topic of medical ethics in general. Imagine all the people you know pretty well, that you talk to, including family, friends, neighbors, colleagues and online contacts, everybody. If you had an ethics question that was making you crazy, who would you talk to? Are there some better than others? Of course. Could you put them roughly in order from best consultant to worst, or at least form vague groups of people who are better, some worse, some perfectly useless? I can. So how did you do it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK then, get a group of about half a dozen or so who go into your group of best consultants, just pick your best ones. There ya go, those consultants form your personal ethics panel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So why shouldn’t hospitals have those? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If my worst nightmare came to pass and I found myself running a hospital, I durn sure would form that. Where would I get my people? I suppose I would have to choose from applicants, and those applications would be heavy in people with degrees in medical ethics, ja? That experiment tells me that medical ethics is a legitimate field of study and a legitimate degree, providing a service that I occasionally want and need. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>