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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">John,</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You know how to ask the right questions.<span style>  </span>Your last question about my statement: “Glutamate
behaves the way it does BECAUSE of its redness quality.” Helped <span style> </span>me to understand that this is not the right
way to say it.<span style>  </span>“BECAUSE” implies a cause
and effect relationship, which is not right.<span style>
</span>The two are simply two different ways to look at the same physically detectable
stuff:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1: The Strawberry is causally red,
and this physical property can be detected.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2: The strawberry reflects 650 nm
light</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Now you are asking another good
question: “if X fully represents Y how can X not have all the qualities of Y?”</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Let me see if it helps to put it
this way:</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would you agree that something,
detectable, is responsible for the elemental redness quality you can experience?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If so, what do you imagine it to
be?<span style>  </span>Certainly, it is not infinite in
complexity, whatever it is?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And would you agree that the word
red (nor any other zombie knowledge) has or is the same as whatever that is?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yet, you can interpret enough
abstract symbols, (which by definition do not have redness) to represent anything you want, but only if you know how to
qualitatively interpret it back to the real thing that does have, or is
responsible for redness?</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent</span></p>

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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:07 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Brent, you say "Zombie Red: Any representation of red that can fully represent its referent, but which does not have the quality it represents", but if X fully represents Y how can X not have all the qualities of Y?<div><br></div><div> John K Clark<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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