<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 Brent Allsop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@canonizer.com" target="_blank">brent.allsop@canonizer.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Sure, if your knowledge has a redness quality, you
can think of this redness quality as a lable, a label that all of
our knowledge of things that reflect 650 NM light has. You are
talking about what this labeled knowledge represents. I am talking
about the qualitative nature, of the label itself,</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think nature of the label itself, that is to say the essential qualia, comes from all the things in your memory that reflect 650 NM light and more importantly from the astronomically large number things and ideas that, although lacking the REDNESS qualia themselves nevertheless are associated with it. That I think is where qualia comes from.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me put it another way, I don't think there would be any difference subjectively or objectively between somebody who saw everything in black and white and somebody who saw everything in black and red. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> For the rest of
your life, you wear red green color inverting glasses. When you
first do this, it is difficult, because you know your knowledge of
things that reflect 650 NM light are represented with knowledge that
has or is tagged with a redness quality, and things that represent
things that reflect 700 nm light are reprsented with greenness. And
now this is backwards, making it difficult at first. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> Eventually after a long period of time you will learn to associate
and bind the redness quality, with all the things before that were
green, and visa verse</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Things would certainly look weird when I first put the glasses on because the new qualia associations would be inconsistent with my memory of the old ones, but as you say after a long time things would start to look normal again. But why would it take a long time? Because of the huge number of nested links and associations that would have to be reassigned for things to make sense again. If I then took the glasses off things would look weird again and would stay that way until my brain managed to put all those links back to where they were originally. </div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> It will eventually
become very natural for you to be just as normal as it was, before,</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">> but you will know that your knowledge is very qualitatively
different than before you put on those glasses.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is exactly the point where you and I differ on this. If all the links have been successfully reassigned then I don't see how in the world things would seem "very qualitatively different than before".</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br></div><div>But at the end of the day the really important question isn't the nature of REDNESS or GREENNESS it's the question I asked in my last post that you didn't answer, do you believe as I do that consciousness is fundamental?<br></div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div> </div></div><br></div></div>