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Hi John,<br>
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I can see how jumping into this conversation, new, the way you have,
one would say LOL. But, my prediction is that if you read, and
understand the paper, it will all make sense. glutamate is just the
example theory, that only applies to the simplistic 3 color world,
described in order to describe as simply as possible, how to get
around the qualitative information gap. You obviosly know of
experimental facts that falsify this prediction. And this is the
point: an example of a theory about the qualitative nature of
consciousness, that can be falsified. So, the only remaining task
is to replace glutamate, with whatever are the necessary and
sufficient detectable properties, for someone to experience a
redness quality. And any such new theory will simply be a variation
on this first incorrect theory that enables us to bridge the
qualitative gap, and to eff the ineffable, in an experimentally
verifiable to all way.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/1/2015 9:35 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Brent
Allsop <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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This theory also predicts that this elemental fundamental
stuff, in addition to behaving according to these laws,
also has fundamental qualities, like redness. It predicts
that particular qualities are one and the same as
particular behaviors. The prediction is that nature
builds our composite consciousness out of these elemental
qualities. In the 3 color world, the scientists don't
know why glutamate has a redness quality, just that it
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<div>### Sorry, this really fails the LOL test. Fundamental
quality of redness in *glutamate*??</div>
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<div>One might claim there are some irreducible properties
of information processing that manifest as qualia, from
simple redness to the feel of a quadratic function being
plotted by a 3d-representing mind to the taste of
madeleines in the remembering human but to say that
low-level chemistry determines these properties is just
silly. There is million chemical processes happening
inside your mind that are clearly irrelevant to qualia,
since they remain both subjectively and objectively
undetected (i.e. have no measurable impact on behavior or
measurable internal states that correlate with behavior).
Replacing glutamate with another neurotransmitter in your
mind while adjusting its receptors and enzymes as to make
higher-level brain activity (EEG, rCBF responses, etc.)
the same would have no impact on "qualia", just as
replacing a 4004 system with an i7 system in a Pong arcade
game, properly implemented, would not change the game
itself.</div>
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<div>Rafal</div>
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