<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:14 AM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
</span>The problem is that the bird in the hand is worth more. Remember it is<br>
exponential growth. Assuming a fast-thinker civ living in a created,<br>
ever-changing virtual reality, then the idea of voluntarily shutting<br>
down for trillions of years (even more in subjective time) until the<br>
end time of the universe appears very unlikely.</blockquote><div>Anders takes this into account (thank you, Anders, for nailing everything on this one). The bird in the hand is just a specific rule we have for temporal discounting because we're still in a civilization where death occurs and accidents happen frequently.</div><div>The argument isn't that they would shut down for trillions of years or until the end time, that's absurd. Of course they're going to keep spending most of their time alive. The idea is that they might rest for a few years while fast probes reach where they want to go, or while other subjectively slow processes are inhibited by the speed of light. You even make the point yourself that they could immerse themselves in virtual reality instead of shutting down, a simple explanation making long-term goals even more attainable</div><div>Connor</div></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><font size="1">Non est salvatori salvator,</font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><font size="1">neque defensori dominus,</font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><font size="1">nec pater nec mater,</font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><font size="1">nihil supernum.</font></div></div></div>
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