<br><br>On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Brent Allsop <<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@canonizer.com">brent.allsop@canonizer.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi Stathis,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What do you think the chances are,
that we are still simply just miss communicating?<span>
</span>We both think we understand the other, but I bet one of us is more
mistaken in this belief, than the other.<span>
</span>I desperately want to better understand the way you think, and fear I am
still missing something important.<span> </span>Let
me state some of my understanding about the way you think about the qualitative
nature of consciousness.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>I'm sure we are somehow miscommunicating, and it is frustrating. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">You understand what “zombie
glutmate” is, but you think such is logically, or mathematically provably, not
possible?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>Zombie glutamate is glutamate that functions normally in its role as a neurotransmitter according to any test, except it does not contribute to the aspect of consciousness that natural glutamate does (say red qualia). I think this is absurd: if it functions normally, then it must also contribute to consciousness normally. I don't think it is possible even by miraculous means to create zombie glutamate.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">You think there is no solution to
the “hard problem” or that it is unapproachable via science.</span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">This includes your belief that we will never
be able to determine in any way, any kind of diversity of phenomenal
consciousness (i.e. including things like being able to detect simple red green
qualitative inversion, let alone the difference between more significant types of diversity like bi chromate vs tri chromate, tetrachromats…).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>I think the philosophical "hard problem" of consciousness is almost by definition impossible to solve. However, I think we can go a long way towards solving the "easy problem", even to the point of being able scan someone's brain and deduce what they are thinking. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">It is impossible for you to imagine how anyone could ever experience a new blue they have never experienced before.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>No, I can imagine that. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">You prefer talking about zombie
functional isomorphs, or think zombie functional isomorphs are more consistent with your thinking, as you think such is more possible than zombie glutamate?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>No, I don't think zombie functional isomorphs are possible. I use the term in order to dismiss it.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt">Do you think it would be possible
to build a system, purely out of zombie information (i.e. by definition, has
not qualitative properties/consciousness), that could pass a Turing test?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"></p></div></blockquote><div>Yes.<span></span> </div><br><br>-- <br>Stathis Papaioannou<br>