<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com" target="_blank">stathisp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">>> The being had a working visual cortex, how could it be blind?</span></blockquote><span class="">
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</span>> Because the visual cortex is perfectly functional according to any test you do on it but lacks consciousness.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're eyeball isn't conscious, or at least I don't think it is; does that mean that you are blind? </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
>> I'm still not seeing what's absurd.</span></blockquote><span class="">
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</span>> If it is possible to separate consciousness from function</blockquote><div><br></div><div>And I don't think that is possible but can't prove it, but I'll assume it can be done for the sake of argument. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">> then it is possible to make a visual cortex that has normal function but lacks consciousness,</blockquote><div><br></div><div>You don't need to assume it is possible to separate consciousness from function for that to be possible. I don't believe my visual cortex alone is conscious, nor do I think any one particular neuron in my brain is conscious. One water molecule is not wet but the Pacific Ocean is, one neuron is not conscious but 100 billion of them can be if they're wired up so that the network behaves intelligently. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">> if you put it into your brain you would lack all visual perception</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No you wouldn't. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">> but function normally</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">> and believe you could see normally. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>And you'd be correct, you could see normally.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">> That would be absurd - I think you have agreed.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, I never agreed with that. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> > The conscious comes as a necessary side-effect, whether you want it there or not.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd bet my life that's true, but I can't prove it.</div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div></div>