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Hi John,<br>
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That inability to test for or prove/falsify your claim is what makes
it useless philosophies of men. The way you progress from mere
philosophy to true theoreticial physical science, is provide a way
to for the experimentalist to prove/falsify your claims to everyone,
forcing everyone into the same scientific consensus camp.<br>
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You obviously don't yet understand the theoretical physical science
the "Detecting Qualia" paper is describing.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vxfbgfm8XIqkmC5Vus7wBb982JMOA8XMrTZQ4smkiyI/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vxfbgfm8XIqkmC5Vus7wBb982JMOA8XMrTZQ4smkiyI/edit</a><br>
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<b style="font-weight:normal;"
id="docs-internal-guid-75fd5ebd-ac7c-5ca1-aa7e-8580a98be78b"><span
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Shawn
Colvin sings the popular song “Never Saw Blue Like That” (see </span><a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sptmDFuzpTA"
style="text-decoration:none;"><span
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sptmDFuzpTA</span></a><span
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">).
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Currently you are a new blue zombie. You can sing about it, but you
don't yet know what it is qualitatively like.<br>
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There is something that is responsible for what she is signing
about. The paper shows how to overcome the quale interpretation
problem so you can experimentally discover and detect what that is.
The next step is to then reproduce that in your mind, as described
in the paper, so you will no longer be a new blue zombie. When that
is done, how will that not prove, what you claim can't be proven?<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/20/2015 9:52 PM, John Clark wrote:<br>
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part perfectly copies the observable I/O behaviour
of the original part, then consciousness will
necessarily also be copied. [...] consciousness
is a necessary side-effect of behaviour<br>
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<div>I think that's true, I'd bet my life that's true, but
I'll never be able to prove it and neither can you.</div>
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<div> John K Clark</div>
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