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There is something that is responsible for a redness quality. And
there is something detectably different, responsible for greenness.
This must be, or the brain would not work. This qualitative
difference is the most important part of how consciousness works.
Zombie intelligence has hardware interpreters for every single
representation, that abstract anything physical like this, away, and
it doesn't matter if you represent it with redness, greenness,
silicone, +5 volts, or whatever, as long as you have interpretation
hardware to convert it into ones and zeros.<br>
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To think that we can't isolate and discover this neural correlate of
redness, at a minimum, by discovering how our consciousness does it,
is just dumb thinking.<br>
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John, surely you must agree that there is something, physical, that
is responsible for an elemental redness quality, right? And why
would you think we can't discover what this neural correlate is?<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/21/2015 11:17 PM, Stathis
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<div>> If all the measurable inputs and outputs are
replicated, how is it possible that your brain can
notice that there has been a change in consciousness
as a result of the replacement?</div>
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<div>It's possible, although not probable, because
consciousness is not measurable. </div>
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<div>Suppose there is a gross change in your consciousness as a
result of the replacement. If you are conscious then you
should notice and be able to report the change. But the
replacement results in normal output to all of your brain,
including the part that would notice a change and then send
output to your speech centre. So if there is a change in
your consciousness, the change will either go unnoticed <span></span>or,
if noticed, you will be unable to report it and will have
to watch helplessly as your vocal cords say everything is
normal.</div>
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