<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Reply to all - Yes, I am a libertarian in the John Stuart Mill sense - my right to swing my fist stops where your nose starts. If it takes a government to stop that, then fine. I have no right to endanger others. Yes, speeding is not always dangerous - I should know. But what about the effect on other people if I crash and hurt or kill myself? No man is an island.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We all have to obey laws that mostly restrict irresponsible other people) poorer reflexes, lower IQ and a lot more) and that is the price we have to pay. What do you think is fair? That better drivers have different speed limits? (I don't know what QALY is)<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Living life in a bubble? No one does. If you go out in the desert and kill yourself in some crazy accident you affect other people economically, emotionally and more.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Restricting others' 'rights' to drive drunk, or without seat belts, or with Alzheimer's or with a stereo at 120dB, etc. is not contrary to libertarianism. If these people affected only themselves, then fine, off yourself any way you want. But when society has to clean up your mess (support for your wife children, towing your wreck, etc.) then it's not a question of individual rights, is it? You have no more right to hit my pocketbook and the taxes I pay than my nose.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">There are not many things that we do that do not affect others, and we have the responsibility to consider that.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Calling it a nanny state is specious logic.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">In my younger days I hated it when a car was going faster than me. So I sped up and passed them. Yes, I have gotten numerous tickets but it never stopped me. Extremely irresponsible.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>### So you say you are a poor driver. And then you want to restrict other drivers, and take months of their lives from them at gunpoint, because restricting speeds amounts to a significant QALY loss, in my case about 6 months, since I drive a lot and obeying speed laws would force me to spend an additional 6 months in my car over my life.</div><div><br></div><div> Libertarian?</div><div><br></div><div>Rafał</div></div>
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