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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(Warning: this is another plug for
Canonizer.com and building consensus in general, so all you haters may think
you want to stick your head in the ground and censor this post, for whatever
reason.)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What matters way more than any
particular method of governance, is the ability to build and measure large
scale consensus.<span> </span>When you think about
it, if you want to accomplish anything, it all depends on building consensus.<span> </span>It could be political consensus, to change
government (regardless of the form), financial consensus to start a new company (or to get an
established company to invest in a new project), governmental consensus,
religious consensus, if you want to get Mormons to support bisexual people, it's all about building and measuring consensus. For educating the masses, it's scientific consensus. People can't know what scientific consensus does, or does not exist, if you can't measure it.<br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Everything is all about building consensus.<span> </span>No matter what you want, getting it is only a
matter of building consensus.<span> </span>Once you
have found enough people that want the same thing you do, it will just
happen.<span> </span>Building consensus is the only
hard part.<span> </span>Everything else is trivially easy with enough scale.<br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All traditional organizations and
methods, even modern “democratic” voting ones are set up in a way that destroys
consensus and censors at every level.<span> Minority experts that see a better way, get censored because of why? Because there is still not yet consensus. </span>All systems today find minor issues where there is disagreement, and all the time and effort
focuses on that, with the most important things everyone wants being a casualty
of that endless polarizing infinitely repetitive war.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And it’s great that everyone is
noticing that the same conversations come up on this list every few years,
everyone repeating the same old same old positions.<span> </span>There is no memory in the system, no
measuring for consensus, no progress is ever made.<span> </span>New people have no way of knowing of any progress that may have been made. That is, except for the issue of qualia or
the subjective nature of consciousness.<span>
</span>Remember how upset everyone got, whenever you brought that issues up, at least until Canonizer.com came along?<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Once the participators in that discussion started canonizing their views,
things launched, and the amplification of the wisdom of the extropy crowd went
through the roof.<span> </span>New people and even high school students
could participate, and it is so exciting to see how fast such people could get
up to speed on what was important, and where everyone stood.<span> </span>You
can see the current stratospheric state of the art, and the very surprising amount
of consensus we've achieved on the most important things (notice you no longer need
to spend time on the trivial mistakes the bleating herd once focused on,
infinitely repetitively), here: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88" target="_blank">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And for a paper summarizing the
theoretical science of mind results describing how to detect qualia, showing
how the so called “hard problem” is really just a solvable qualitative interpretation problem can be
found here:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vxfbgfm8XIqkmC5Vus7wBb982JMOA8XMrTZQ4smkiyI/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vxfbgfm8XIqkmC5Vus7wBb982JMOA8XMrTZQ4smkiyI/edit</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Again, everything is all about
building and measuring for consensus.<span>
</span>Especially the ability to push small minor disagreeable issues out of
the way (to lower camps) so everyone can finally focus on what is<span> </span>important, and what most leading experts
agree on, so the entire crowd can amplify their accelerating wisdom.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If you can build and know, concisely
and quantitatively, what EVERYONE wants, you do not need any rules, or governments or
hierarchies or universities, or bureaucracies.<span>
</span>Once you build enough consensus, traditional rules and governments no
longer matter, everything you want will just happen.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><br><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left" align="left"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Allsop<br></span></p>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:26 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Walker<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 06, 2015 4:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rafal Smigrodzki; ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Critiquing democracy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><span class=""><div><p class="MsoNormal">### This is also called demarchy, going back to St. Friedrich Hayek. We used to discuss this option on ExI, oh, about ten years ago, didn't we?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Rafal <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span>Everything has been discussed on ExI about ten years ago, including whether everything was discussed on ExI about ten years ago. <span style="color:#1f497d"> </span>Mark<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mark we discussed self-referencing paradox on ExI, about ten years ago.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Reminders and updates are always welcomed.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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