<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Indeed. Do you offer evidence the above notion is superstition, or just assume it so? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">You
are aware there are currently plenty of human groups whose populations
are held in check by space limitations and food limitations. We know
there are efforts to bring them food and introduce birth control
technology. They are grateful for the former but want no part of the
latter (at least some subset within the group wants no part of the
latter.) This shouldn’t surprise us: we in the advanced west have
subsets of our population who reject the notion of birth control, still
to this day. They have a lot of offspring. And they vote.<span class=""></span></span></p><span class=""><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">The correlation between birth rate and level of society is firm and negative. All of my data exist in books and articles I left behind when I graduated, but I do recall this firmly. I taught Human Sexuality for many years and kept up with such as this until the late 90s.<br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">Will Catholics and others who eschew birth control take over the earth? Use of birth control among Catholics is and has been growing for decades. And Latino Catholics are leaving for evangelical churches at a significant rate. Of course no birth control will be used when babies and young children are dying at high rates. Bring those rates down and people will tend to have as many as they can afford (or can get the gov. to afford - another issue).</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">As for the policy or number of people point: of course if we had policies for rigorous testing of the chemicals we have put into the environment, which would have stopped a great many, including medicines, if we limited farmers to a proper amount of fertilizer for his acreage and showed them how to prevent runoff, if we penalized industry much harder for dumping into creeks etc., if we strongly treated our sewerage before dumping it into the waters, if if if. Then we'd have a lot less, maybe even manageable pollution. I suspect it will be shown that among the 50 chemicals in our bloodstreams that we were not born with we will find that some cause or exacerbate or cause cancers and other serious medical problems. <br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">But still, to a certain extent it is the number of people that contribute to the over pollution. </font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">If it is any kind of government regulation, certain people will be against it no matter what, so increasing the scope and the regulation of the EPA is not going to happen anytime soon. Politicians of the modern sort are pocketliners. Their contributors have them in their pockets. I have no solution to this sorry lot of so-called statesmen we have, from local to nationwide. They think of money first and the long term last. Anybody want to dispute this paragraph? To say the least, we are not given a full range of choices for who to elect. And unless you are a billionaire you have to go through a political party and toe their line somewhat.<br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font color="#888888">bill w<br></font></span></p></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Keith Henson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, William Flynn Wallace<br>
<span class=""><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Tara Maya <<a href="mailto:tara@taramayastales.com">tara@taramayastales.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
</span>>> Again, I?d just like to point out there?s no proof more is not better.<br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> You can assert it is not.<br>
>><br>
</span>>> I hereby assert: More is better. The more humans the better. We don?t have<br>
<span class="">>> nearly enough yet to even imagine what will become.<br>
>><br>
</span>>> We are still in the infancy of our sentience and haven?t even left the<br>
>> cradle yet.<br>
>><br>
>> Tara Maya<br>
>><br>
><br>
> ?Define 'better'. I say we are polluting the planet far more than our<br>
> species is worth.?<br>
><br>
> ? Fouling our nest, as if we are the only things in the universe worth<br>
> anything.?<br>
<br>
Bill you missed your cue. "Leaving the cradle" refers to the point<br>
where more humans live off planet (or perhaps are uploaded) than live<br>
on it.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Keith<br>
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