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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><br><b><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>…</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is clear enough to me that humanity’s path to survival is figuring out some kind of renewable energy source, such as Keith’s space based system and a massive simultaneous ground-based effort. We would somehow turn the war machine to the new task of manufacturing solar panels by the jillions, and somehow turn the legal machine to sweeping away restrictions keeping us from blanketing huge swaths of desert with ground-based solar facilities.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'></span><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>So, what is to make anyone in the future curb population? </span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The usual suspects: starvation and war.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> If your answers hold, then the population will grow more and more until we have to build cities underground and on the ocean</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>No. We aren’t lacking for room, we are limited by energy. Building cities underground and on the sea doesn’t solve the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> How many people are enough? 50 billion?</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I doubt we can carry 50 billion. They would kill and devour us long before we get to 50 billion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> What is going to make people stop?</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The usual suspects?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> More is not better</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'></span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Agreed. I just don’t see a clear path to prevent it.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>