<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If the cops have a pull-over button, the bad guys can get to it.</span> <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">This might start a whole new discussion - hope so. The quality of our police is too low. And has been for some time, maybe forever. I am not judging them on the basis of the events in the last few years. In addition to the quality, I question the quasi-military training they are given. It makes them lack empathy with the public, like the students in the famous Zimbardo study (students acting as prisoners and prison guards - if you don't know this one, please Google it - frightening).</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Of course you are right about bad guys getting remote controls for cars. If that happens, every car will be loaded with guns, right? Then road rage will be turned into road murders. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Why can't everything in a car be hardwired? No wifi no hacks, except, perhaps, your internet radio. bill w<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br></span></p></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:51 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Self-Driving Cars Must Make Ethical Decisions<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"></span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">>>…</span>If your question was more towards: has anyone tried to hack and take over control of an aircraft, the Iranians are claiming that’s how they captured one of our drones.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike</span><span style="color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><span class=""><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"></span><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">So then, is it just a matter of time before someone hacks into a commercial jet and crashes it? Or if the software is so strong, then why couldn't it be put in the cars?</span><span style="color:black"></span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"></span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w</span><span style="color:black"></span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It can be put in cars. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As to your questions, the Iranians are claiming they spoofed a control signal and took over the drone. Drones need to have antennas and access to control systems, since no one is on board.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The situation that is coming ever more clear is that robo-cars need to be controllable somehow from the outside. Scenario: prole is having a possible heart attack, can’t afford an ambulance ride, gets in car and tells it to go to the hospital, but on the way, gets worse and decides perhaps she can afford an ambulance ride (have you seen those modern ones? Heart attack victims are better off in a modern ambulance than they were in the hospital twenty years ago.) OK so she can’t really drive but the ambulance can pull up along side. I suppose a skilled ambulance driver would pull up to the left and forward of the robo-car and force it to the shoulder. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The cops are going to want a pull-over button so they can sniff the car for cash, but we might suppose they too could force it over.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If the cops have a pull-over button, the bad guys can get to it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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