<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We have to add to 'nothing is idiot proof', 'nothing is genius proof'. Although....<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Maybe airplanes have a different kind of hardware and software, but no one has remotely controlled one yet, right? I have to bet they've tried. bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Self-Driving Cars Must Make Ethical Decisions<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Tara Maya <<a href="mailto:tara@taramayastales.com" target="_blank">tara@taramayastales.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">>>…</span>My prediction is that the biggest danger of self-driving cars will be if they are susceptible to being hacked by malicious humans. Harm will be done on purpose, by trolls or terrorists, far exceeding what will happen by unavoidable accidents.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span>I suspect this will far more likely be correct if there are government-mandated ways for "authorized law enforcement officials" to remotely control said cars. While this would be done with good intentions, recent history demonstrates that the majority of controllers in practice would be...<br><br></span><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span>* at first, law enforcement officials without legally valid authorization (blank, unsigned, or non-existent warrants)<span style="color:#1f497d">, </span>* <span style="color:#1f497d">…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Excellent points. Law enforcement will want some way to stop a robo-car externally, but consumers might want a robo-car which will go where instructed even with an inert passenger. Law enforcement is now empowered (in many jurisdictions) to seize cash if they find you with a pile of it, and their drug-sniffing dogs are really looking for cash (because the cops don’t really get to keep the dope they seize but they get to keep the cash.)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If they see someone dozing behind the wheel or humping in the back seat or whatever, they are going to want to pull over that robo-car and look for cash, to fund some cool new cruisers and automatic weapons and things that cops like to play with.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There are some perfectly legitimate reasons to pull over robo-cars: an oil spill on the road for instance, or an Amber Alert, but if cops have that, it gives them the means to do wrong (and a few of them will.) It also empowers the full-time bad guys.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Oy.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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