<p dir="ltr">On Sep 2, 2015 11:07 AM, "<a href="mailto:scerir@alice.it">scerir@alice.it</a>" <<a href="mailto:scerir@alice.it">scerir@alice.it</a>> wrote:<br>
> If you have a source of entangled photons and this source is much much closer<br>
> to<br>
> location A than to location B, and if A and B are close enough, an observer O<br>
> could jump from A to B and you can imagine he could perform magic tricks.</p>
<p dir="ltr">No I can't. (Not any he could not already perform, anyway.) He knows what the photons at B will be before anyone who was previously there has directly measured them. So what? It is known he hopped from A and could have picked up the information there.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Also, his hops are limited to light speed.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> In other words ... in general the problem arises because obsevers are<br>
> local, and quantum correlations are not. But if you have ... nonlocal<br>
> observers ....</p>
<p dir="ltr">...which you don't.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> No story in space-time can describe nonlocal correlations: we have no tool<br>
> in our story-toolbox to talk about nonlocal correlations (Gisin). Hence,<br>
> we usually say things like "event A influences event B", or<br>
> "event A has a spooky action at a distance on event B" or<br>
> "event A causes a collapse of the wavefunction at location B".<br>
> But we know that this is all wrong: there is no time ordering between the<br>
> events A and B ("acausality").</p>
<p dir="ltr">More to the point, A and B are both caused by Z.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Event A does nothing at location B, period.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Event A causes people at A to know something about B by logical inference. This itself does not actually do anything at B. The knowledge about what is at B can not reach B at faster than light.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This applies to nonquantum things too. Let us say you have a bag of 15 apples. I take some number and leave. Some time later, you count and find you have 10 apples. You thus know I took 5, but does that measurement actually cause anything at my location to happen? It does not. I had taken 5 apples all along; that you have measured this does not now cause that fact to spring into being, but only to become known to you.</p>