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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] managing omnicidal maniacs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 2015-09-09 15:40, spike wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Anders, I would not include Edward Teller on your list, but he spent a lot of time thinking about that topic. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>He is an interesting case. Not desiring the end of the world, but quite willing to develop tools that made it more likely - and aware of it<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In 2002, Teller published a book called Conversations on the Dark Secrets of Physics. He talks about the development of the H-bomb and how they thought at the time that atomic bombs, while horrifying, were not sufficiently so to prevent their use. He already had two excellent data points at that time to back his claim. In the context of his world, MAD was sane. That book is very good, if one is into that sort of thing. I note that of all the scientists who thought their particular weapon would end unlimited war, it was Teller who appears to have finally been right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Adrian's point about suicidality is interesting. I think there is a difference between wanting to end one's life and ending humanity. The latter may not be seen as an escape, but as an eschatological completion, and hence appeal to a different kind of person<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is common for a suicidal person to want to slay someone else on their way out, even a stranger, as in a ledge jumper. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>It is interesting to note that there are philosophies that advocate extinction on moral grounds<span style='color:#1F497D'>… </span><span style='color:windowtext'>Anders Sandberg</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We have in our world today what looks a lot like a religion with a branch or subset espousing mass murder/suicide. Tragic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></body></html>