<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="im"><br>
</span>Yes, Destiny and Fate are usually thought of as predetermined. But as<br>
that may lead lazy humans to stop working and say 'Well, what will be,<br>
will be' philosophers tend to reason that humans still have to work to<br>
achieve their destiny. i.e. work ethic.<br>
<br>
Predestination leads to rather convoluted reasoning. :) anders<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I think the main use of fate in everyday life is to try to accept bad outcomes, such as cancer, accidents, and death. It's a way of saying "There was nothing I could do about it." I suspect that saying this does not really mean that the person totally believes in predestination/karma. Put another way, it's an ego defense mechanism.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:51 AM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 3 December 2015 at 11:16, Anders Sandberg wrote:<br>
> I take that as a compliment. But I understand what you are saying: why care?<br>
> Because we are talking about ultimate, important things. If we are not as<br>
> careful with them as we are with mere medicines, explosives or stock<br>
> markets, should we not expect mistakes to lead to devastating losses of<br>
> value?<br>
><br>
<br>
</span>Errrrrr??? But medicines explosives and stock markets are human disaster areas!<br>
Humans may pretend (or make feeble attempts) to be careful with such<br>
as these but fail miserably.<br>
It is the human good PR intentions versus actual terrible collateral damage.<br>
<br>
<br>
<snip><br>
<span class="">> Can you fail at destiny? The traditional idea is that destiny must happen.<br>
> But that does not imply a good ultimate outcome. If destiny is something we<br>
> are aiming at, then at most it is something to hope for, not something we<br>
> can put our faith in.<br>
><br>
<br>
</span>Yes, Destiny and Fate are usually thought of as predetermined. But as<br>
that may lead lazy humans to stop working and say 'Well, what will be,<br>
will be' philosophers tend to reason that humans still have to work to<br>
achieve their destiny. i.e. work ethic.<br>
<br>
Predestination leads to rather convoluted reasoning. :)<br>
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BillK<br>
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