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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 03, 2015 1:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] bees<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2015-12-03 05:49, spike wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Now of course I start thinking of ways to measure how bees are feeling. Perhaps they fly a little differently when well-fed and fully healthy. We could raise some in isolation and feed them all the best pollen, try to create a control group. Then make some kind of optical measurement device, a camera which measures flight speed, oscillation rates, hover times, and anything else we can figure out how to reduce to a matrix of data using optical data. Then we compare to domestic bees and wild bees.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Clearly there must be some behavioural signs you are picking up, if you are not imagining it. I can imagine taking a bundle of data of perky and tired bees and using machine learning to categorize them - but that requires having samples of the kinds. One could also do clustering of their behaviour and see if there are clusters that look suspicious - but again, if all the bees in the back yard are tired this will not show much. <br><br>I don't have a good feeling for the Bay Area ecosystem, but it always struck me as having unusually few insects around. I was so happy seeing that moth larva with you and the kid last time I was over. <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Dr Anders Sandberg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ja, the insect population and diversity here is not nearly as good for amateur entomology as where I misspent my childhood and youth in Florida. Wildlife of a wide variety of genus and species were abundant in that friendly environment. The buggery there was unsurpassed.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>s<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>