<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John Clark wrote: I am not referring to the party of <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hillary (I believe in evolution) Clinton.<br>-------<br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I suggest that the word 'belief' is very wrongly applied to science. What is wrong with saying "Darwin's theory and the modifications that succeeded it are the best ways by far of accounting for the evidence we have." This is different from a belief in evolution.<br><br><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Belief is an act of faith. Faith in things and processes unseen, unobservable by any means, other than interpretation of events that could be more easily explained otherwise, has no place in science - I think we can all agree on that<br><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">So statements about science and about faith, including religious faith, have very little in common.<br><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Put another way, the epistemology of science and of religion are totally different. Empiricism has no place in religion and authoritarianism has no place in science (or shouldn't have!).<br><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Bill W<br></span></font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:51 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, spike </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>John this is unnecessarily negative. The telescope construction will resume. </div></blockquote><div> </div></span><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Perhaps it will get built after all, but probably not in Hawaii. I think the astronomers should tell mother earth and father sky to stick Wao Akua up their asses and build the Thirty Meter Telescope in Chile's Atacama desert; it already has many of the world's best telescopes and there is plenty of room for more. </font></div></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>It isn’t about religion either; that’s only the silly excuse. <p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I disagree. I would have more respect for them if they were just doing it for the money but I don't think that is the case. I think they're sincere, and some of the greatest fools on this planet are sincere. </font></div></div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>…The Republican presidential candidates should be pleased. </span></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ehhhh… ? Which party should be pleased?</span></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">The<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>party in which the top 3 presidential candidates <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">are </div>Donald Trump, Ben Carson and<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Ted Cruz, world class ignoramuses all. <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">The same party that has</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Jeb (evolution should not be taught in schools) Bush<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>and Mike (<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Darwinism is not an established<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>scientific <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">fact</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>it is a theory) Huckabee and Marco ( whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">i</div>t’s one of the great mysteries) Rubio.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I am not referring to the party of <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hillary (I believe in evolution) Clinton.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span></font></div>
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