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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bulk] [ExI] Religious Idiocy Triumphs Over Science Yet Again<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>The Thirty Meter Telescope on top of Mauna Kea would have been by far the largest telescope in the world<span style='color:#1F497D'>, </span>But<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>now it looks like it will never be built because</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>today the Hawaiian Supreme Court rescinded <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>its<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>construction permit<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>John this is unnecessarily negative. The telescope construction will resume. It isn’t about religion either; that’s only the silly excuse. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We in California know the “sacred place” game. People who claim ancestry going back to ancient times can jack up governments for payoffs before they will get out of court on building permits. The way the law was written during the term of a corrupt California governor was so open ended, it requires almost no evidence for a tribal group to claim an area as sacred. They can tie up projects for years in the courts. Most of the time the developers choose to pay them off and pass along the cost to the homeowner or business.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>California’s high speed rail will soon find itself drowning in this sort of thing, but only after construction begins. Then, sacred sites will be discovered everywhere right in the path of that train. Once the ancient religion crowd is paid off, the environmental crowd will start to discover endangered species everywhere in the train’s path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What is going on in Hawaii is just that: native Hawaiians have learned the lesson well. They are playing the old sacred place game. They waited until there was plenty of investment in the site to escalate the court battle. Construction has been going on there since 2009. If the builders chose to abandon that site and move it to another site, the native Hawaiians would again wait until plenty of investment has been made, then they would claim Mama Mountain met with Papa Sky at the new site, and stand there with palms up until those hands were filled with cash.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>None of this really has anything to do with religion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…The Republican presidential candidates should be pleased. …John K Clark <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ehhhh… ? Which party should be pleased?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>