<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">John Clark wrote:<br><br><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">We? I don't feel the least bit guilty because I wasn't alive back then. And I have no doubt that the history of </font></div><font size="4"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif">American aborigines</font><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> from 16,000 BC to 1492 AD was at least as bloody and unjust as that of the Europeans. The Noble Savage never existed.<br><br>------------<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">You are correct. They were no better than we are or than we were. I just don't see any problem with giving them a break now and then. Nothing could repay what we did, just as nothing we can do for descendants of slaves will heal the wound. I also agree that I should feel no guilt and I don't.<br><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Man's inhumanity to man: will we ever learn just how animalistic we really are at the very core of us? And maybe next time think a bit before we shoot? Maybe repeat the Golden Rule a few times? Maybe not elect those who dwell on fears and do shoot first or at least advocate it?<br><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">bill w<br></font></div></font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:16 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>> </div>My
proof will come with California’s high speed rail project: paying off
various religious and native groups will become steadily more expensive
as more track is laid.<span> spike</span></span></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span></span></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span></span></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Religious groups, no. But our American aborigines, yes. We have a giant guilt complex regarding them which is fully justified. OK, so they were in the stone age when we came but that doesn't justify the slaughter or the broken treatises.<p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">We? I don't feel the least bit guilty because I wasn't alive back then. And I have no doubt that the history of </font></div><font size="4"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif">American aborigines</font><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> from 16,000 BC to 1492 AD was at least as bloody and unjust as that of the Europeans. The Noble Savage never existed.</font></div></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font color="#1f497d" size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> John K Clark </font></div></div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span> bill w<br></span></span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Dan TheBookMan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:17 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan TheBookMan<br><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">are </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Donald Trump, Ben Carson and</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Ted Cruz, world class ignoramuses all. <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Donald Trump: graduated from Wharton school of business, became a self-made multi-billionaire.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><br><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>If inheriting millions makes someone self-made, then I guess "self-made" is a useless term now<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…</span>Dan<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Using John’s numbers, he inherited 40 million, now is about 4 billion. That’s 100-fold increase, when the stock market increased by about a factor of 20 to 25 in that same four decades.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I grant there was plenty of luck involved. Lucky is good.<span></span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>The luck of what? Connections with those in power that one can influence with a quite large inherited fortune? Also, what is the use of his particular business acumen here? So he can take a huge fortune and make it bigger. Why should such a man be given any power over others?<br><br></div><div>And, in this particular discussion, would you say he's a good judge of what direction scientific research should go?<br></div><div><br></div><div>By the way, I know one person who inherited approximately $1200 from his parents. He's made a six figure salary for about a dozen years. Would you say he's on the same level of Trump?<br></div></div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px">Regards,</span></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px"><br clear="none"></span></div></div><div><span><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px">Dan</span></div></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span> Sample my Kindle books via:</span></div></span><div style="line-height:normal"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.amazon.com/Dan-Ust/e/B00J6HPX8M/" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.amazon.com/Dan-Ust/e/B00J6HPX8M/</font></a></div></div></div></div></div>
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