<p dir="ltr">On Dec 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Michael Butler" <<a href="mailto:butler.two.one@gmail.com">butler.two.one@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Dec 10, 2015 11:31 PM, "Adrian Tymes" <<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com">atymes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > The problem is, insights gained under such a state often .... External measurements show that no such insights were captured<br>
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> Measure how?</p>
<p dir="ltr">A typical method might involve capturing the insights on video or writing them down, then have third parties analyze the results vs. what you do in a similar span of time under the same conditions but not tripping. Just like most scientific experiments to measure personal performance under different conditions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">> If I get a simple insight like "tastes are arbitrary", which sounds banal if you are listening for banal... but it hits me in the amygdala-cortical circuits hard enough... I just might come out less judgmental than I used to be. For real, not in some cortex-only way.</p>
<p dir="ltr">But then the insight isn't "tastes are arbitrary" but "these tastes are unrelated to the qualities and outcomes you are judging toward, so don't judge based on those tastes".</p>
<p dir="ltr">> Also, zetetically: what would it take for you to change your mind?<br>
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> (Yes, that's a double meaning there ;) )</p>
<p dir="ltr">Evidence that I can trust. Which in this case would probably involve my own personal observations - as in, ones you can not directly fabricate. Yes, that means that arguing this point to change my opinion is pretty much pointless.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The same could apply to your position, except that there is reason to believe your own memories and experiences here may be less than correct. Still, it is your choice.</p>