<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Church insiders pick and choose which of the OT or NT to believe in. </span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><font size="4">Christians believe in both but say the New <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">Testament<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font></div> is better, God must have improved with a few thousand years of on the job training or something. Well, God forcing people to become cannibals in Jeremiah 19:1 is pretty bad <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>( <i>"And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend</i><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><i>"</i> </div>) but the fact is it's <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">in </div>the New Testament not the old that <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">you find</div> the <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">idea of </div>eternal torture in <div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">hel</div>l<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">,</div> and that's <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">far more perverted than cannibalism. </div></font>. </div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>some researchers think that a lot of words were put in Jesus' mouth just to make him more compatible with the OT - the fire and brimstone bits. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I don't even know if Jesus existed, the evidence that he did is stronger than the evidence that Achilles existed but not as<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>strong as the evidence that Muhammad<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>did. But it doesn't matter,<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>I refer to the character portrayed in the bible,<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>I refer to the Prince of Peace<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>who said in Matthew 10:34 " <i>Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law</i>"<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">, I refer to the biblical Jesus </div>who impressed the rubes with card tricks and other stunts; that Jesus was a Jerk.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4">I'd be a lot more impressed if Jesus had taught us about the second law of thermodynamics rather than hear a report of questionable accuracy about some water into wine trick. It took the human race another 1800 years to learn about entropy and although it teaches us nothing about morality neither do Christ's stunts, and unlike the fermented grape juice bit you can't fake thermodynamics.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div>
<font size="4">Christ was a nut, nutty as a fruitcake, or to put it in more politically correct language, he had a mental illness that produced delusions of grandeur.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>If he was a <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">real </div>historical figure<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> I</div> don't think it was an act, I think he really thought he was God. </font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4">Christ was a martinet. His words <i>"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell"</i> sounds more like a typical flame you can find anywhere on the net then it does the wisdom of a great sage. Buddha, Lao-tse, and Socrates all had a much more enlightened attitude toward those who disagreed with them, and they had it 500 years before Jesus.</font>
<p><font size="4">Christ was a creep. He believed in hell, he talked with glee about <i>"wailing and gnashing of teeth"</i> and <i>"these shall go away into everlasting fire"</i>. He thought that torturing somebody, not for a billion years, but for an INFINITE number of years would be an amusing thing to do to somebody he didn't like. I think cruelty on this monstrous scale proves that Christ of the bible is morally indistinguishable from Satan of the bible. </font></p>
<p><font size="4">Christ was a idiot. He believed that God, that is to say himself, was furious with the human race (something to do with fruit trees) and even though he could do anything the only way for him to forgive the humans would be for the humans to torture him to death, even though being a</font></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> </font></div><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">G</span><span style="font-size:large">od he can not die. Does any of this seem very smart to<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>you? </span><p></p><p></p><p></p>
<font size="4">I don't believe I'm engaging in hyperbole, imagine for a moment what it would be like if<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>the<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Christian God did exist, it would be worse than living in North Korea. Here we have an all powerful demon addicted to flattery who can read your every thought and will torture you, not for a long time, but for ETERNITY if you take even one small step out of line or break just one of his many, many, rules and they includes thought crimes. To make matters worse you're not even sure exactly what all his rules are, the "experts" violently (and I do mean violently) disagree, so you never know if you're going to be tortured or how to avoid it. This seems pretty depressing to me and not at all moral, I'll take an indifferent universe over a sadistic one any day.</font>
<p><font size="4">I call your attention to a quotation from Charles Darwin, a better man by far than the son of God even if you ignore his enormous scientific ability. I would certainly much rather have Darwin as my next door neighbor than a vindictive pompous ass like Jesus Christ. In spite of the objections of his very religious but loving wife, he wrote this in his 1876 autobiography</font> :</p>
"<font size="4"><i>Disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate but at last was<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine."</i></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><i><br></i></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><i> </i>John K Clark<i></i></div><br></font><div><font size="4"><i> </i></font></div><div><br></div><br></div><br></div></div>