<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Mike Dougherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com" target="_blank">msd001@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""></span>As for the "illusion" ... prove that you have ever had an experience that wasn't an illusion.<br></blockquote><div>Fair enough. I meant "assuming consensus reality, that does not edit its past, in the normal sense that most of us experience for the majority of our lives". From that perspective, if you think you encounter X but subsequent evidence suggests that X never existed, then it may have been that X was an illusion. For example, if you think you see a giant lake near the horizon on the desert but when you get to where the lake supposed is you only see more sand, that may have been the specific type of illusion known as a "mirage". <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">Abstinence from drugs is similar to abstinence from sex. You can be an expert on the reports of others, but you have no authority to speak on the subjective without actual context. </p></blockquote><div>I have experience with tripping, just not tripping induced by drugs. I have experience with the mental illusions I describe, and I see the same in what those on drugs claim to have experienced.<br></div></div></div></div>