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I think the key problem is that we quickly get into tribalist group
affirmation signaling when talking about classifications like this.
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd like to hear of any way to avoid this. To my mind, there is nothing more natural to the human mind than racism, sexism, conflicts between religions, ball clubs, and all the rest. The easiest thing for a person to believe is that they are better than some other person or group.<br><br></div><div>When this doesn't happen, one suspects the person is depressed, too full of humility, short on self-respect, hates his own group, and so on - that is, not the usual attitude.<br><br></div><div>In intellectual arguments, it goes "Yes, you are right, but ......." and adds his own take. If he doesn't, then he is a follower, not a leader, and few want that.<br><br></div><div>So, if I were able to genetically modify people, one of the first things I'd modify is the Openness dimension in personality.<br><br></div><div>bill w <br></div></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Anders Sandberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anders@aleph.se" target="_blank">anders@aleph.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 2015-12-22 00:36, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:<br>
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<div>I’m a feminist. To paraphrase Mark Twain: “Women
are human beings. Worse I can say of no person."</div>
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<div>### There is a chance for
industrial-grade misunderstandings when discussing these
subjects, so let's engage in some explication.</div>
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<div>Is it enough to believe that
women are humans to be classified as a feminist? Isn't there
something more the word, especially in its third-wave
edition?</div>
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I think the key problem is that we quickly get into tribalist group
affirmation signaling when talking about classifications like this.
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>### Indeed, "feminism" became over the last few decades a word of power, which in many circles asserts alliance with or belonging to the ruling clique (not to be mean to you, Tara, it's just the way a lot of people use this word). My muck-raking questions on this matter are nothing but counter-signaling, a way of averring underdog status and intellectual independence.</div><div> </div><div>---------</div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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My approach to issues like this is to drill down to some particular
issue (e.g. affirmative action policies, voting rights), state my
views and ideally reasons why I hold them, and then go back up and
explain how this fits into wider systems of thought (e.g. my own
Bayesian libertarianism). Then one can compare that to other
systems, groups, issues or whatnot. But it avoids tribalism.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>### Well, I don't like it when nice people like Mr Dilbert get raked over the coals for meekly disagreeing with the preferred narrative. So, following Lenin, I prod with the bayonet of my wit, looking for resistance or weakness.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, Isn't Tetlock great? Have you read "Superforecasters"?</div><div><br></div><div>Rafał</div></div>
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