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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Generally, astrobiologists and
      planetologists are getting more optimistic about habitability of
      this kind of world:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.1883.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.1883.pdf</a><br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1510/1510.03484.pdf">http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1510/1510.03484.pdf</a><br>
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      Tidally locked waterworlds have fairly moderate temperatures:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.5117">http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.5117</a><br>
      and can avoid dessication:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.0540.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.0540.pdf</a><br>
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      Also, just because it is tidally locked does not mean it has no
      days:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1006.2503.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1006.2503.pdf</a><br>
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      On 2016-02-01 19:11, spike wrote:<br>
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            extropy-chat [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 01, 2016 9:03 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> ExI chat list
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org"><extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Gaian Bottleneck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Mon,
                Feb 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, spike <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:spike66@att.net"
                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A
                        planet that close would be gravitationally
                        locked with one side in perpetual day and the
                        other in perpetual night; that might not be an
                        impossible burden for life but it certainly
                        wouldn't help<span style="color:#1F497D">…</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ja.  Tide locked planets would
                    have one small advantage for emerging lifeforms
                    however: there would be a twilight ring at the
                    transition between the day side and the night side. 
                    It would be a very limited strip of real estate, but
                    it would have mild temperatures there always and
                    perhaps liquid water, along with perpetual direct
                    sunlight right down on the horizon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">​<span
                        style="color:#1F497D">>…</span>But the
                      twilight zone would also be subjected to ferocious
                      winds that never relent as the hot and cold halfs
                      of the planet try, unsuccessfully, to equalize
                      their temperature; and that would probably prevent
                      the evolution of large plants or animals<span
                        style="color:#1F497D">…<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ja,
                      there is that.  Could be the atmosphere on such a
                      world would be sufficiently tenuous that a strong
                      wind might not amount to much.  Force in a
                      compressible flow varies as the square of the
                      velocity, so we can imagine a steady cold wind of
                      100 m/sec at 0.1 atmosphere being a force
                      equivalent to 30 m/sec wind here.  That would be a
                      breezy day for sure, but nothing that would stop
                      existing lifeforms here.  Constant sixty mile an
                      hour winds happen here in places.  Very
                      unpleasant, but stuff lives.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Down
                      near the surface the wind patterns would be slower
                      and more chaotic.  Life could evolve under the
                      sea, then make their way up on a harsh blustery
                      landscape.  Liquid water can exist at 0.1 atm.  We
                      can take it further: liquid water can exist at
                      0.01 atm, so a 100 m/sec of that would be
                      equivalent to a light breeze one would scarcely
                      notice.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
                      I wrote this, it occurred to me that such a planet
                      would be at nearly 100% humidity everywhere. 
                      Think about it: wind blows from the cool side,
                      hits the twilight zone, starts to warm picks up
                      moisture from any existing seas, density decreases
                      as it goes sunward, air rises, circulates back
                      crossing into darkness again at high altitude,
                      drops the moisture which falls as rain.  That
                      twilight zone would suffer from not only constant
                      cold wind from the dark side, but from a
                      continuous hurricane-force rainstorm, or perhaps
                      blizzard.  Even if the atmosphere is a tenuous .01
                      atm, it would accelerate and drive that ice and
                      rain like little bullets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">OK
                      John, I think you are right: that would be a
                      terrible place to evolve.  The beasts would just
                      stay in the sea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">spike
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      ​<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dr Anders Sandberg
Future of Humanity Institute
Oxford Martin School
Oxford University
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