<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Anders: On page 29 I have some plots from Katja Grace's excellent review, which points out that algorithmic improvements typically produce pretty drastic jumps in capability, unlike the individual learning curve or the gradual collective improvement in chess.</span><div class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Anders, does this mean that an AI can exhibit insight learning? That is, learning that proceeds through saltatory leaps - in humans we would call those aha moments - insight? Or did the paragraph above say just that? For a true insight curve it would have to start out rather flat (meaning no insight yet).</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">bill w </span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Tomaz Kristan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:protokol2020@gmail.com" target="_blank">protokol2020@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-size:12.8px">but the insight was his</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Exactly as the 23rd AlphaGo's move today was its insight. People of Google/DeepMind just gave him the necessary tools.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">But you can't understand this mister Sill, unless you rewrite your worldview. Don't bother.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>No, its programmers "taught" it learn how to play better.<br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="2">So Einstein should get no credit for discovering General Relativity, the entire credit</font></div><font size="2"> </font><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="2">should go to Einstein's teachers. But no that can't be right, the credit should go to the teachers of Einstein's teachers. But no that can't be right....</font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div> No, Einstein's teachers didn't program him to discover fundamental theories of physics. They taught him what they knew and gave him the tools he needed, but the insight was his. Thousands of other physicists had the same training but didn't discover GR.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>-Dave<br><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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