<div dir="ltr"><div><div>> <span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Go to the extreme - buy organic foods. </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Some
Germans did just that, a few years ago. Then the e-coli took several of
them. At first they've tried to put the blame on Spanish cucumbers and
tomatoes. Which are grown so non-organically there. <br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">But it were some domestic shit, they grew organically in Hamburg.<br></span><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:54 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ja! Our current USA system of bifurcated right/left politics makes for some odd bedfellows indeed. I am surprised that conservatives and conservation do not seem to go together all that much. The natural-is-good crowd if anything seem to lean left as a group. That seems so paradoxical to me. Clearly this whole salad needs to be tossed and remixed. This is the year to do it.<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">-------------------</span></p><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I do not know if I am a radical or not. But I do seriously wonder why the research that is so sorely needed before we put chemicals on crops or anything else that goes into foods is not done. Oh I know why - politics, payoffs, money under the table, corruption at every level. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The same goes for the FDA - why do we see so many recalls of drugs, so many lawyers advertising to file lawsuits against drug makers? Not enough research.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Go to the extreme - buy organic foods. </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Something an individual can do, as opposed to doing our own drug </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:18.6667px">resea</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">rch.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"> (actually I am doing my own drug research by taking the the doctor orders and actin g as a guinea pig)</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Google for foreign workers who tend crops dying of cancer. Look at regulations allowing foreign food to be imported here with chemicals on them that are NOT allowed on our own farms. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I don't think environmentalists of any stripe need to be the only ones to answer John's questions: the whole world has not stepped up and supported whatever it takes to deal with these fatal diseases and the conditions that cause them and the research needed to combat them.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The rift between rich and poor, individuals and nations, is getting worse, as everybody knows, and that will cause much trouble in the years to come.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We volunteer, we do foreign aid, we support the Red Cross, etc. etc. and still the numbers that John quotes are still happening. A lot of what we give overseas is skimmed at the highest levels - or just totally taken over. Or we give tractors with no parts and no mechanics to fix them or money for gas. As Spike says, this whole salad needs to be tossed too.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">So - it's just not enough. And I have no answers to how to get people to sell their yachts and 20 million dollar houses, or even just to give a bit each month for world hunger, etc. The South donates a lot of money to churches, which for the most part goes to building more churches. Salvation Army a big exception - those people are serious about their charity.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">bill w</span></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font color="#888888"></font></span></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:59 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I am an environmentalist, and you should not automatically believe that I am for every single thing the radical environmentalists do. </div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif">I am for GMO, for example. YES to golden rice!</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Good, but then you are not an average middle of the road environmentalist, you are a radical environmentalist and I guess I am too.</font><font size="4" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div></div><span><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Calling every environmentalist an ecofreak is not good thinking. It's stereotyping</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><font size="4">Yes<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">,</div> but you almost make it sound like<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>stereotyping<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>is a bad thing. Who caused millions of people to die unnecessarily from malaria? <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Average </div>middle of the road environmentalists<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> ,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> aka ecofreaks. Who caused millions of children to go blind? Average </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">m</div>iddle of the road environmentalists<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. Who killed nuclear energy even though it has a better safety record than any other energy source and produced no greenhouse gasses? Average </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">m</div>iddle of the road environmentalists<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">.</div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Let's keep it rational</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">If you want a rational conversation then </font></div><font size="4">environmentalists<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> are not the ones to talk to. </div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Calling every environmentalist a ecofreak <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">would not be</div> strictly true, but it<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> wouldn't be a</div>bad first approximation of the truth. The environmental movement that started off so well has been hijacked by nuts who think with their gut and not their brain.</span></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark </font></div></div><span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><br></div></div>
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