<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>On Mar 20, 2016, at 1:06 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan TheBookMan<br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] Organic foods/was Re: bees again<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 20, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Tomaz Kristan <<a href="mailto:protokol2020@gmail.com">protokol2020@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">>>… <span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Go to the extreme - buy organic foods. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some Germans did just that, a few years ago. Then the e-coli took several of them…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">>…Isn't E. coli in food more a matter of contamination than whether it's organic? Also, doesn't cleaning or cooking take care of most of the problem? If not, given the popularity of organic* foods, why do we not see widespread deaths from eating them? Or am I missing some data here? Regards, Dan</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The wife of a college friend went off on a movement which convinced itself that Pasteurizing milk is a bad thing. So they found some local sympathizers and created an organization for collecting and distributing raw milk from crops grown organically and crops fertilized by manure rather than ammonium nitrate (which is a chemical, which is made in a laboratory, which must be evil because it isn’t natural, etc.) This introduces a risk of e. coli and other bacteria from the manure. Raw milk introduces a host of risks. Milk from hormone-free cows fed on only organic crops is reeeeally pricy stuff. But at least you might get sick from it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I advised him to get some personal liability insurance.</span></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Totally different thing. Raw is not the same as organic. One can obtain raw milk from cows (or other animals) pumped up with hormones and antibiotics and that eat feed that grown from pesticides. And one can obtain milk from cows free of those things that's been pasteurized.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, if one is using manure to fertilize, there's a higher chance of contamination overall. Washing, cooking, and avoiding further confirmation* can take of almost all of that.</div><div><br></div><div>Organic foods overall are more expensive. But I'm not hearing about the deaths we should be noticing according to Tomaz's earlier comments. If you want to argue that it's merely merely w way to separate people from their money, that's one thing. I just don't see the huge safety risk he's insinuating is there. </div><br><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books via:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">http://author.to/DanUst</a></font></div></div></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="line-height: normal;">* For instance, not having someone with hepatitis or someone who has just handled feces handle your food.</div></body></html>