<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Dan - That's you. The thing to wonder about is can people keep and expect privacy about things regardless if you want to let the world know? For instance, where I live, there are nude beaches. Obviously, those folks don't care about their genitals being publicly seen, but does that mean no one can, say, stop peeping toms?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Worst career choice I ever made: going to law school. Best one, transferring to psych. But in law school I found out that in a number of places, it was a peeping tom offense if a man was looking at a woman, but exhibitionism if a man was being looked at! Talk about gender discrimination! In general I think a peeping tom cannot be stopped if he is not on your property - then of course it's trespass. I won't swear to that.</div><div><br></div><div>Gender discrimination the other way: in many states adultery is a felony if a woman does it, but only a misdemeanor if a man does it. I wonder who passes these laws?</div><div><br></div><div>bill w</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Dan TheBookMan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:12 AM, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> We have touched on the issue of privacy several times lately and<br></span>> I wonder if it received a lot of attention before I joined. <br><br></div>I recall some discussion of universal surveillance, which would mean zero or near zero privacy. Or maybe I'm confusing this group with another. That discussion was before 2010.<br><div><span class=""><br>> We are concerned about it but I don't see any conclusions about<br></span>> what the appropriate level of privacy is.<br><br></div><div>That might be the tougher discussion to have if one agrees that there should be any privacy at all. I think the thing to worry about is big players like the state being able to effectively use information against everyone else. For instance, for most people there seem to be things about themselves that can be used to control them. A case in point might be, today, any private thoughts or talk about things that are currently deemed inappropriate -- where the person holding such thoughts or saying such things is likely to lose their job and be ostracized. Now, one could argue in a post-privacy world such things won't matter. That's possible, though things could go the other way: people conform as much as possible to avoid incurring all kinds of sanctions, and others realize that the whip of such sanctions can be used to keep people in line.<br></div><div><span class=""><br>> Denmark is making a necrogenomic database: DNA from everyone who dies.<br></span>> Is this appropriate? I don't know what else they are collecting, such as cause<br>> of death and so on, but in the long run this could do a lot of good. It could<span class=""><br>> also run up insurance rates for the descendants in some countries if the<br></span>> insurance companies got hold of the data.<br><br></div><div>The issue for civil libertarians would be any requirement to do so. Is there any allowing people to practically opt out? <br></div><div><span class=""><br>> For myself, I am an open person who will tell you my grandmother's shoe<br></span>> size if asked. I don't care what anyone knows about me as long as my<br>> Visa card is safe.<br><br></div><div>That's you. The thing to wonder about is can people keep and expect privacy about things regardless if you want to let the world know? For instance, where I live, there are nude beaches. Obviously, those folks don't care about their genitals being publicly seen, but does that mean no one can, say, stop peeping toms?<br></div><div><br>Regards,<br><br>Dan<br> Sample my Kindle books via:<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dan-Ust/e/B00J6HPX8M/" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Dan-Ust/e/B00J6HPX8M/</a></div></div>
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