<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">On 2 April 2016 at 16:12, William Flynn Wallace wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt">>>... Denmark is making a necrogenomic database: DNA from everyone who dies...<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:14pt">>...Well, it will be useful if the dead start committing crimes.......</span></p><p><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">Ja. Come the zombie apocalypse, we will know who it was who is coming to devour our brains.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="font-size:14pt">>...The scientists want the database for medical research, but I would expect the police to be interested as well. Murders have been solved by getting a close DNA match which led to checking relatives and getting a conviction...</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">Ja. The guilty have been caught and the innocent set free because of DNA analysis. </span></p><p><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">Do repeat that sentence like a mantra please, several times until memorized.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;color:black">>...</span><span style="font-size:14pt">Totalitarian governments would really like every DNA on file as everybody is now a suspected criminal. But so far there are still some restrictions stopping them...BillK</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">Ja. So what we need to do then is prevent totalitarian governments.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">I am personally acquainted with a relative whose grandparents were in the funeral business. It was a rural area, not much money in it. It is easy enough to imagine them being offered 100 bucks for some unknown entity to have 2 minutes to view the deceased and keep it quiet. Now an unknown entity has a DNA sample, the ID of the dearly departed and a good idea how she perished. This kind of information is valuable. If my own money is at stake (it’s my insurance company selling policies for instance) I am an inquiring mind.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">Those of us who are old-timers on ExI, especially those who participated in the privacy discussions here back in the 90s and 00s, do feel free to post in regard to how your views have changed, how they have stayed the same, what predictions you made then which have come to pass and which have failed. Our openness advocates are no longer in the neighborhood. Well, I am, but Assange is gone, Burch is gone, Hal Finney and Robert Bradbury are gone permanently, so I (and possibly BillW) are the new openness advocates, ja? Others?</span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"><u></u> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:14pt">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u> </span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Almost anyone on this site probably knows more than I do here, but I think Obamacare has some provisions for not rejecting people because of pre-existing conditions. Just add to that a provision that DNA cannot be used in determining payment of claims or insurability. There's just too much to learn from having DNA databases - medically. It's just another step up from having fingerprints on file, which everyone who has worked for a government has (took mine at a mental hospital).</div></font></span><p></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">So yes, Spike, openness. And it ought to be a lot easier and cheaper to get info from our governments, that, indeed, we are paying for.</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> Bush et al tagged so many things Top Secret just to keep journalists out.</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div></font></span><p></p></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">How about openness of DNA for couples planning on marriage? It's not just about sickle cell anemia anymore. Would some men reject women who had a high chance of getting breast cancer? You bet they would. bill w</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u></span></p></font></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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