<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 Â Anders Sandberg </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:anders@aleph.se" target="_blank">anders@aleph.se</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>My own view is basically that (1) Brin is right: transparent, accountable open societies for the win.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​I presume that wouldn't include the entire world knowing ​my credit card number.</font></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>But (2) to really work they need to be tolerant.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Yes, if the NSA knows all there is to know about me then I should know all there is to know about the NSA, and if they have a surveillance camera watching me then I should have a equally good surveillance camera watching them. But for laws that transparency must be reciprocal to be enforced X would have to prove that Y has a secret he is not telling X,  and governments are likely to have more resources to conceal things than individuals have to reveal them. So in the real world Brin's "Transparent Society" is unlikely to be symmetrical; not a plane of clear glass <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​but ​</div>more like a one way mirror.   <br> </font><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>​</div>I would have no problem with NSA/GHCQ/FRA/... monitoring everything if they were themselves adequately monitored</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">Exactly, that's the problem.</font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> John K Clark​</div> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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