<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">John Clark - <span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">No but there is a big difference between the GO program that Google engineers originally wrote and the Go program that beat the human world champion after evolving into something new from playing the game with itself millions of times and learning to get better. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> Yes, but isn't it still the programmers' expertise? Isn't that what the programmers expected it to do? There is no creativity here that I can tell unless it's the programmers'. And will stay that way until the computers program themselves (Yes, I know that they can do that, but still isn't that attributable to the programmers? In other words, the computer cannot be smarter than its programmers, right? Of course it can do unexpected things even if the code is not flawed, and then I assume that the computer is given ways of rating the various outcomes it produces - or can it produce its own validity tests?)</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>></div>John Clark - the things they are good at is a testament to the genius of the computer's teachers not of the computer itself</span></blockquote><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Huh? I assume a computer is a blank slate, so whatever it can do is what the 'teacher's' taught it</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Does Einstein deserve credit for discovering General Relativity, or should the credit go to Einstein's teachers, or to the teachers of Einstein's teachers?</font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Is there a difference between a computer and its programming?? </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">No but there is a big difference between the GO program that Google engineers originally wrote and the Go program that beat the human world champion after evolving into something new from playing the game with itself millions of times and learning to get better.</font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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