<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Apr 6, 2016  PM, William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>> ​</div>there is a big difference between ​the GO program that Google engineers originally wrote and the Go program that beat the human world champion after evolving into something new from playing the game with itself millions of times and learning to get better. </span></blockquote><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​></div>Yes, but isn't it still the programmers' expertise?</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​No of course not, how could it be? The original programmers don't ​understand how the program that beat the human GO champion works, they can't  predict what it will do nor can they beat it at GO. If you don't understand something, can't duplicate it and can't beat it how can you get credit for it?</div> </font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Isn't that what the programmers expected it to do?  </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​Every teacher expects his students to do well, but you never answered the question from my previous post; who gets credit for discovering General Relativity, Einstein or Einstein's teachers, or the teachers of Einstein's teachers?​ And if Einstein get's the credit then why doesn't the computer? Because Einstein's brain is squishy and the computer's brain isn't?  </font>  </div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>There is no creativity here that I can tell unless it's the programmers'. </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​Then Einstein had no creativity either and I'm not sure what the word means. </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">​If a computer can outsmart us then whatever you mean by "creativity" <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​it ​</div>can't be anything </font><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​of the slightest </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">​importance​<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​.​...</div> </font></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And then just before the last remaining human being was destroyed he turned to the Jupiter Brain and said "you know<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​,​</div> I still think I'm more creative than you<div class="gmail_default" style="fon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