<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:01 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:57 AM, William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Is an AI always programmed to take the most likely route to success<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Unfortunately no, people would love to program a computer so that it has the best chance of solving the traveling salesman problem but nobody knows how to do it. </font></div> </div><span><div><br></div><div> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"> <font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>to me, this gets us directly into the free will problem</font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div></font></span></div></span><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Free will? What an odd phrase, whatever can it mean?</div><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> John K Clark</div></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Well, for one thing it means that I cannot answer the question about Einstein without taking a stand on free will.</div> </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The computer cannot do otherwise than what it was programmed to do. There is no human parallel to this, unless you want to go down to the level of DNA and say that it is responsible for all that we do since it programmed us to learn. If you want to look at it this way, then we are indeed automatons. And Einstein gets no credit; given the makeup of his brain and what was put into it, he had no choice other than to create his physics and math. This is a tough philosophical position to dispute. Free will exists because we hope we have it, and we must assume it so that we can punish antisocial people. If there is any hard evidence for it I don't know of it. I have no conception of what that would be.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The AI may produce unexpected results, but that was known beforehand, if the code was OK. So, credit to the programmers, none to the AI.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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