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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] calling for our exi computer security hipsters, was: RE: Donald Trump<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 2016-05-06 23:27, spike wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>>…</span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And why did this happen to us? And can we do anything?</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>...</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>. It is the authoritarians that I fear.</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Oy vey, me too Anders.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> The difference is that authoritarians are populists that claim (1) they have the solution, the only solution, (2) outside epistemic standards are irrelevant, and (3) the solution involves following their dictates. </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Check, check and check, for both.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>My suggestion is that the key part is safeguarding the open society. </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Ja squared. Cubed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Help build solid legal and technical protections for journalists</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Both our major candidates have expressed disdain for the news media in very explicit terms. One arranged for a guy on probation to go to prison for posting a video to YouTube. The quote, now denied but confirmed independently by four witnesses was “We will find the guy who made that video and punish him.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> make sure name-and-shame mechanisms and whistleblowing makes corruption and misuse of power risky</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>At some point name and shame is useless. Both major candidates appear beyond shame. Immune from it. Any attempt to shame these two can be declared a vast other-wing conspiracy. Corruption and misuse of power risky: the candidate has gotten away with way worse than this before. At some point, the rap sheet is so long and without consequence, a candidate might as well be declared immune to law. A US president immune to law, with the finger on the nuclear trigger and in command of enormous armies and navies, oy vey. This cannot end well. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>spread a wider understanding of what the enlightenment achieved, and so on. </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>-- Anders Sandberg</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Anders, your idealism is refreshing sir.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>