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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] s&p 500 growth, was: RE:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On May 9, 2016 11:00 AM, "spike" <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>>>… I am absolutely astonished he would risk a multi-million-dollar dream job running the company for whatever he was doing back there in the old soundproof room.<o:p></o:p></p><p>>…Love and lust sometimes happen among those who trust each other (such as from having worked closely together for a while) and are otherwise compatible. It can be a challenge to handle it appropriately in cases like this. (Assuming hanky panky was in fact happening.) What was that old adage? "Don't dip your pen in the company inkwell"?<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ja. When the security people hear a credible rumor, they can call the clearance holder in for an interview, without even telling why. If the holder refuses, clearance is suspended. If the holder accepts and confesses everything, then the holder is in trouble for not coming forth earlier before he was caught, but might hold on to the clearance if the investigation decides national security was not compromised. If they find the holder intentionally tried to cover his tracks, or if the other participant wasn’t cleared at the same level, or they want to make an example of the guy, or if the ranking official is in a bad mood that day, or any number of other factors, the holder gets his clearance suspended or revoked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Any big aerospace company is populated with straight-arrow law-abiding types, which is how they qualified for those clearances to start with. If any high-up leader has a clearance suspended, word quickly gets around why it happened, and that guy can no longer effectively lead that crowd: they have no respect for him. This is what happened to the LM second in command a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Funny aside: a long time ago, I was in a proposal group where we were trying to find civilian uses for a whole bunch of surplus military stuff we could buy for about a nickel on the dollar, stuff that was idled by a treaty that took effect right at the tail end of Bush41’s term. It included rocket motors, guidance systems, not the nukes of course but all kinds of cool rocket stuff, originally designed to carry nukes but now all of it surplus and ready to haul rich people to space, that kinda thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In that building where we were generating proposals, we had a soundproof meeting room. It was seldom used for anything: it was a pain in the ass to even get there, since it was a structure within a structure, kinda like a massive refrigerator inside a building, and you had to code in, etc, so they could archive who went in and when. We decided to find out if it really was sound proof. We had exactly one woman in that group, mid thirties, fun sense of humor type. We said “Hey Lurleen, go in there and close up, then scream like you are being murdered or something.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Leave it to her to respond, “Or something, OK.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>{8^D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Took us several minutes to stop laughing. Then, she went in there, closed up, screamed. We couldn’t hear it. The structure worked as advertised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We didn’t need Lurleen to point out to us what that facility enabled. I don’t know if anyone ever used it for that purpose, but I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. If they did that and self-reported, the security people probably wouldn’t tell the company (I wouldn’t think (they would have nothing to gain by telling.))<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In any case, the security people make it clear during initial training and all subsequent periodic updates: they get it that people are not saints. They understand. They are not your priest. But they do need to know what you did, so they can watch out for negative consequences. If you cross them, they can hurt you. If you lie to them, this is a bad thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>