<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:24 PM, spike </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:21.3333px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>this is another case of the incident itself is irrelevant, but lying about it is critical.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">OK let's talk about perjury.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ ​</div>When Truthful Trump filed he taxes he swore under the penalty of perjury that the information in it was true, but he won't let the people of the United <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​States</div>, the <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​very ​</div>people he wants to lead, see it.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ He says they should trust him but he obviously doesn't trust them. ​</div>Meanwhile Crocked Hillary has made her tax information public going <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​all the way ​</div>back to 1977<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​. E</div>ven Tricky Dick Nixon let the American people see his tax return, b<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​u​</div>t not Truthful Trump. Why? What is <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​it​</div> that Truthful Trump doesn't want the <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​American ​</div>people to know?</font> <br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:21.3333px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Where does the constitution say a sitting president may not self-pardon?</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​</div>Nowhere.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ </div>A president could <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​pardon himself​</div> if he wanted, but it would be very bad PR, the American people wouldn't like it and more important congress wouldn't like it either and congress would be in a position to do something about it.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:21.3333px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>If we admit that this is theoretically possible and that Nixon could have just pardoned himself and held his office, </span></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I don't admit that theoretical possibility at all<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​.​ </div>Yes a president can pardon himself and prevent his prosecution when he leaves office and becomes a private citizen</font><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">​, and the congress can turn the president into a private citizen for doing so. ​The senate acts like a jury and if that jury says there are grounds to remove a president from office then he is removed from office. The only difference between the senate jury any any other jury is there is no constitutional way for the guilty party (the president) to appeal the verdict. </font>   </div>  <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> ​</div>Without strict definition, the presidential pardon is a ticket to totalitarianism far worse than Germany’s bitter experience.<p></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Totalitarianism far worse than Germany’s<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​? Far worse?</div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">  John K Clark</div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">   </div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div></div></div>