<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">BillW, ponder this please sir, for you are perhaps the most qualified person here on this topic, being an educator yourself. We value your opinion, and your own grandson values your opinion on this, and your thoughts and speculations on where this leads.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">spike</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">What may happen may benefit my field tremendously. A person shows up to take tests for a job with that company. The industrial psychologist administers them and then hires or not. This means that the company has to very carefully define what they are looking for in a candidate, something they do not often to, or not to very specific degrees. Sometimes a person is hired just because they come off well in an interview (the least valid method of choosing, as proven over and over). Gut feelings about someone does not substitute for objective tests.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">This may be relatively easy in engineering and other science venues. But what about management and sales? Passing tests is no substitute for the person to person interactions that those jobs require.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">I think we all want the world wired - everyone able to get to a wifi and at least rent some time on it. Government should underwrite this big time. It's as if you could beam electricity to backwoods areas that it is too expensive to lay wire to, </span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">Really good point about GPA - data show that lawyers averaging C in grad school make the most money. A students stay and teach, B students become corporate lawyers. Another thing: we simply cannot define what some would call 'heart', or 'drive'. Or a near inability to quit.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">What is happening now, and so fast as Spike says, will require tons of studies on what really delivers the goods online. My students while I was in grad school took Psych 101 by TV. I took roll and turned on the TV. I was available to answer questions as the end but few were asked. At the end of the term a survey showed that they hated it with a passion. Now the teacher was sitting at a desk and reading his notes and it was boring as hell (why do we use that phrase? I can't think of anything less boring than hell would be).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">So we will eventually wind up with the very best teachers, who are going to be showmen and women, not necessarily the smartest people, and depending on how this goes, they may become very rich, with students all over the world. A fine thing that would be after teachers having been underpaid since the beginning.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">But who is selling these ideas? I never see any reference to online courses. OK, Phoenix and others - questionable. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">This may wind up costing millions of local jobs as online competes with sit down local classes. A problem?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri Light',sans-serif">bill w</span></div><span class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font color="#888888"></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 20 May 2016 at 19:25, spike wrote:<br>
<big snip><br>
<span class="">> Conclusion: Sal Khan has offered a free ticket out of the poverty trap, for<br>
> anyone who will stretch out and grab it, with intentional emphasis on<br>
> “stretch out” because a free education with credentials does not mean<br>
> credentials will be handed to you like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.<br>
> It still takes a lot of work.<br>
><br>
> BillW, ponder this please sir, for you are perhaps the most qualified person<br>
> here on this topic, being an educator yourself. We value your opinion, and<br>
> your own grandson values your opinion on this, and your thoughts and<br>
> speculations on where this leads.<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
</span>Spike, I appreciate your enthusiasm for educating your son and applaud it.<br>
(So please don't take my comments as criticism).<br>
<br>
The Sal Khan Academy is one extreme.<br>
Looking at education from the opposite extreme, I have read articles<br>
worrying about smartphones causing the dumbing-down of the population.<br>
With a smartphone, nobody needs to remember or know much at all.<br>
Google gives you any info you need. Apps do calculating for you, give<br>
directions, organise schedules, buy stuff, etc.<br>
That's why the younger generation are addicted to gossiping on their<br>
smartphones.<br>
There's not much else left for them to do.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
BillK<br>
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