<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><br></span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black">Spike, if you would read Dark Territory, as I mentioned earlier, you could put your mind to rest a bit about security of emails, phone calls, etc. That is, unless you are so convinced of hidden plots that you cannot believe anything about what the gov does. As I understood it, only metadata is stored - not content</span>… <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Ja of course. We know Snowden leaked that part about metadata, but the public also learned a term recently called SAR, or Special Access Required programs. Snowden was not in his job long enough to have access to SARs. Usually those tickets are granted for a special purpose to people with special skills which they are trained by their employer carefully. This takes some time, often at least years. Some never get to where they are valuable enough to risk issuing a SAR ticket. Snowden had none of those spooky numbers. Sure, we know that they only get metadata. But can we conceive of a technology that would intercept and record more than that? Is it technologically possible to do? If so, and there is any motive to do it, you have the means and the motive. No conspiracy required. Your turn sir.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Well, of course they have the capability (I don't really know this for a fact but it seems obvious) ?- it might take a billion dollars worth of storage to handle it. Who knows what they are recording from Russian secret service calls etc.? But hundreds of employees are doing something with foreign data.</div><p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div>>…<span style="color:black">Changing the content of emails has been done, but to terrorist groups and war enemies, such as Iraq</span>…<u></u><u></u><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Hmmm. What does it take to be tagged an enemy of the state? Will posting an internet video do it? Does it matter what is in that video?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">What state? Iran, for sure! I would not post anything on this group or anywhere that denigrates Muslims. As far as the USA is concerned, we still have freedom of speech, eh? One of these days I am going to read about Hoover. He was just the kind of evil man you are talking about. He was said to have files on everyone and so everyone was scared to call him of the legality of it.</div><p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black"> We are far too small to mess with</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">How big do we need to be to mess with BillW?</span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> </div><p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I think we have to be in some sort of targeted group, like the skinheads or something like domestic terrorists. There was not much in the book about domestic stuff.</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div><u></u><u></u><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black">and are US citizens to boot.</span> <span style="color:black">bill w</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Ja. You do know that our current government had a US citizen murdered abroad, ja? He was a terrorist, I am not saying it was Little Red Riding Hood on her way to bring cookies to her grandmother or anything. But he was a US citizen, with the emphasis on was.<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Surely for you this is a good sign. Good? Yes. We know about it - that's very good. Now if they had offed him in this country and we found out about it only because of a leak from an attempted coverup, we should all shudder in our boots about just how far they'd go. The guy was actively involved, wasn't he? Not just trying to get there and join. Am I right? Then I think he should have been treated like any other terrorist.</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">We'd both like to know about what their guidelines are. I'll be the pres had to OK this one. Ironic, isn't it? Obama won the Peace Prize and has been fighting wars longer than any other US pres in history, and has not been hesitant to use drones and so forth. I think they go too far with this program, btw. Too much 'collateral damage' - killing civilians to get one or two guys is just too much to swallow. Doesn't matter if they are big chiefs. I think that's overrated. One guy falls and another takes his place and we have little to show for it except one guy dead. And more suicide bombers motivated.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><div><span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">bill w</div></font></span><p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">p.s. - kinda scary how our opinions correlate with our political stance: you are more conservative than I am, and conservatives tend to be more fearful about things like this (this says nothing about the actual situation. That is, being more liberal or conservative does not match with being right or wrong)</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><div><span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div>spike <u></u><u></u></font></span><p></p></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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