<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">Also, not having had education, most of them are incapable of the kind of long-term deductive reasoning that goes, "I need money therefore I need job therefore I need education". Besides, many of them think they can't get a job even if they were educated; to convince them otherwise would require education, even if forced upon them.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Years ago I saw a study done by a welfare dept. It found that about 5% of the people getting checks were fraudulent. They then figured how many more agents it would take to catch those people and get them out of the system. Turned out that it would cost more to hire more agents than it would to just keep paying those cheaters.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It seems that there is a myth that some huge number of welfare recipients are lazy people who could take a job but don't care too as long as they get free money. They also find that many are looking for jobs but they jobs simply aren't there. Or it would eat their entire check to pay for child care, so they can stow their kids while they work. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">For Rafal - but who would hire a 15 year old with a B.A.? Certainly there are kids who could do it. And anything that supports or increases vocational education has my support. One more thing: my state and many others requires passing an algebra test to get a high school diploma. The jobs that require algebra are few and far between, so this requirement is just stupid. Sure, we need to catch up to the world in math and science, but with out op 1%, not with everybody.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">### Well, stopping welfare would assure there is no TV for those who don't work.... The poor might actually think before having children... They might learn to humbly ask for a job rather than angrily demand handouts... Knowing that there is no welfare might induce some of them to value schooling as a way of earning access to a job... And ending the war on drugs might leave them no option but to make themselves useful...<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>That is a nice fantasy, but that's not the way they think. If they're starving *RIGHT NOW* there's no time or energy for education...but there is to steal bread. Assuming they do not wind up in the alternate welfare known as prison (or dead from an armed merchant, or etc.), they see what works and keep doing it.<br><br>Also, not having had education, most of them are incapable of the kind of long-term deductive reasoning that goes, "I need money therefore I need job therefore I need education". Besides, many of them think they can't get a job even if they were educated; to convince them otherwise would require education, even if forced upon them.<br></div></div></div></div>
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