<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Well, I have to agree with all of that, but the Kahneman and Tversky (trained as psychologists) was psychology even though the award was for economics since there is no prize for psych. I mean, what they did WAS psych, as is a lot of other things like market research. Actually, a lot of medical research is psych as well. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I suppose that trying to claim that any research done with human behavior is psych seems pretentious, but if the shoe fits........ some departmental territoriality here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">No contest: the hard sciences are galloping along and psych is inching, but a lot of the basic stuff was done prior to 1950, esp. in learning. You don't see references to Pavlov or Skinner anymore but their results are still valid and are back of what cognitive research is finding. Psychologists are very poor at giving credit to earlier research compared to, say, biology, where Darwin is still all over the place.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Good experiments with people is hard work and very creative work and I wasn't very good at it. Cut out to be a teacher. Test yourself: try to come up with a creative way to test for jealousy other than to give people questionnaires. Just try to define it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">PR for psych is not good because of all the wannabes doing bad research and the lack of any publicity for basic research. (And the lack of really good treatments for the mentally ill, and that affects psychiatry as well. Biology, that is, drugs, have taken over that field, mostly.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:37 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><font size="4"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Psychologists are everywhere: designing dashboards for NASA (as well as being intimately involved in training astronauts), doing great cognitive work like Kahneman and TVersky (and winning a Nobel Prize for it), </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">OK maybe I was a little too hard on psychology, but only a little; and they won the Nobel Prize in 2002 for work that was done decades before that, and it was for economics not psychology.</font></div></div><span class=""><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Our brains are the most complicated thing in the known universe.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I certainly agree with that.</font></div></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Read Stephen Pinker if you want some really up to date good science. He may be our best. </span></div></div></blockquote><br></span><font size="4">I've read <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div>The Language Instinct<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div> and <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div>The Better Angels of Our Nature<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">" and liked them both, and I've already bought "How The Mind Works" and put it into my book queue and should read it in a month or two, but Pinker likes interesting stuff like linguistics neurology and AI, and yes evolutionary psychology and I admit that can be interesting too. </div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> > <span style="font-size:large">Most people, like you, are just not aware of what psychology has evolved to. </span></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4">It's just that when you look at what psychology has discovered in the last 50 years and compare it with what physics or biology or computer science has found it's day and night, hell astronomers discovered that all the planets and stars and galaxies that they thought was all there was turned out to be only 4% of what there was.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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