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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 30, 2016 4:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] How Technology Hijacks People’s Minds<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>>…<span style='color:#222222'>Doesn’t that seem odd that VIVR situations would be irresistible to some, distasteful to others and neutral to the rest? Who are the normal ones?</span></span><span style='color:#222222'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>spike</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>A few variables suggest themselves to me: </span></span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>security (salary far more secure; conservatives more motivated by fear,; probably many more 'types' here seeking security); </span>…<span style='color:black'> of that, but not big John - big time gamblers get all sorts of goodies from casinos)</span></span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>I am sure my mind will think of more bill w</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ja there are all these, but more still. Winning at any kind of personal bet makes me feel I have caused pain to whoever lost. Since I would be with friends, winning would cause me to hurt, so… I don’t do it. My own bet with John Clark is not one I would have sought under any circumstances: it hurts me to cause hurt. Were I a woman, I would make a terrible dominatrix. My whips would be made of noodles, my chains of paper. I would sooo get fired.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Odd angle on this: back when Robin Hanson gave us play money ideas futures, we had a blast with that. I had so much fun, won a lot of “money” (almost all of it on predicting discovery intervals for Mersenne primes) and we just had a rollicking good time. But when real money ideas futures showed up, I was disappointed, for I realized most of the participants would rather play real money ideas futures. To this day, I have refused to play that game. I get little pleasure in winning and none in losing. None of this is explained by BillW’s list: I don’t fear loss, have no religion or superstitions, don’t have any security issues, wouldn’t miss a few bucks I might lose on PredictIt. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paradoxically, I loooove competition, even if it causes the loser to be disappointed. Somehow if there is no money involved it just feels OK to me. In a car race, every participant pays a ton of money just to play, and only one guy gets the checkered flag. But that Indy500 is nothing but fun to me, love it. I will even play poker, for funsies. But I don’t like casino games. Seems like a contradiction, ja?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>spike <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>