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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Sill<br><br><b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><br>>…Disclosing classified information is punishable by a fine and/or up to ten years in prison…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>For each offense, ja. In some cases, protons will begin to decay before the felon would be freed.<br><br> <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798">https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> But to be fair Powell said he's received Christmas greetings marked "top secret" and I have no doubt he was telling the truth. Secrecy inflation is a real problem in government, bureaucrats figure if they don't stamp "Top Secret" on something people will figure it's not important; it's become automatic almost like saying "Hello". <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Stamping "Top Secret" on something doesn't make it Top Secret…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Ja there is a process for that. It requires codes that are on the document itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>This produces an odd contradiction. Mrs. Clinton told us that there was runaway over-classification in the State Department. She had the authority to declassify documents, but never did. She never declassified a single document. So why not? If there was all this crazy over-classification, why didn’t the Secretary of State just go into the system, declassify what she needed, then send that to her unsecured server? Then nooooone of this would have ever happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Weird: the Secretary of State said there was massive over-classification but never declassified even a single document when given the authority to do so. Is not that in itself a logical contradiction?<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> No Spike these are Donald Trump's words not mine:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>“<i>Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> </span></i><b><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>And if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us</span></i></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>”.</span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Yes, let's take the pathological liar at face value. -Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Waterboarding is still illegal, even if the president approves. If a president orders it, those are illegal orders, and the military commander or CIA agent who receives them is legally obligated to object, stand down and resign under protest. Before waterboarding can legally occur, congress must act to make it so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Dave these two are no good. Hear the footsteps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>