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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>…</b></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>She broke laws. That non-disclosure agreement she signed going in puts the signer at legal liability. </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Violating a </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>non-disclosure agreement </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>is a civil wrong not a criminal offence…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>John, I am assuming you are aware or could be aware, that a non-disclosure agreement signed for a security briefing is not the same thing as a non-disclosure agreement you sign when you are subcontracting to a commercial company. That NDA with a security clearance attached damn sure does have criminal liability attached to it, something they remind you of every time you log on to your secure account. On the bright side, I don’t recall them ever saying it had civil court liability if you mishandle classified info.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>>… </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Stand by for FBI report.</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…I am, and I'm looking forward to my $10...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Heh. So confident, so bold. Dashing, is this young man!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…And Hillary didn't conduct ALL state department business on a private Email server either…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>John, she didn’t even activate her secure server account. There was no legal electronic communication path to the US SecState for her entire term. Astonishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>John if you can prove that, we can net two additional bad guys, Powell and Rice.</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Then I guess we're going to have a triple hanging, </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Powell, Rice, </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>and Hillary…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Woohooo! Excellent! We catch all three sleazebags in one investigation. Score!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/">http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>… Since when is that more horrible than torture for fun? <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>These are your words John. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…No Spike these are Donald Trump's words not mine:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>I didn’t see anything in there about fun. Did you?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Spike, after fascist barbarism like that why are we still talking about </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Hillary</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>'s stupid Emails and not about civilization descending back into the middle ages? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>I am talking about that. This is why I favor Johnson. He is less likely to start a nuclear war than Trump or Clinton. It is the reason why I won’t vote for them. I would have myself to partially blame if I voted for whichever one wins. Don’t do it friends. Hear the footsteps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:23.1pt'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>>…Subpoena? What subpoena? <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>This subpoena:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><a href="http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Kendall.Clinton%20Subpoena%20-%202015.03.04.pdf" target="_blank">http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Kendall.Clinton%20Subpoena%20-%202015.03.04.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…OK, you're right, there was a subpoena. It asked </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>f</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>or all documents related to Benghazi </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>and </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>or Libya for 2011 and 2012 and she did so…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>How do we know that? We don’t. We don’t know what was on Nixon’s 18 minutes of tape either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Destroying evidence is taking on the burden of proof of one’s own innocence. It can be a very heavy burden indeed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>>… </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> So why did she erase the 30,000?</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…Because they did not involve </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Benghazi</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> or </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Libya</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'> in 2011 or 2012 and were personal…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>We don’t know that, and we suspect it is false. When Mrs. Clinton arranged to have her own server, so that she could control that evidence, she took on a heavy burden of proof, as did Nixon when he erased that 18 minutes of audio. When people destroy evidence, they appear guilty. She appears to perhaps have done something serious, such as perhaps arranged to arm Syrian rebels, perhaps in exchange for anonymous donations to a charity, which would have led directly to… well, let’s see… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>…a well-armed military-trained group becoming upset at an internet video they never actually heard of, coming to shoot up the a US Embassy? Or perhaps they were just some guys out for a walk (with guided mortars and the training to aim them.) What difference at this point does it make? Difference: if we don’t know what caused that, then we cannot fix it. If we do not know why Ambassador Stevens did not have a ventilated safe-room, then we cannot explain why he perished. Mrs. Clinton appears to have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure we keep not knowing what caused that attack, and why Ambassador Stevens did not have the requisite safe-facilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>>…. She erased them when she knew the subpoena was coming but before she actually got it… John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>Why John, WHY WHY WHY did she do that? She knew what that would look like, she knew she had a bunch of people who had committed felonies by somehow getting classified info across the gap (how the hell did they do that/), doing something which damn sure is treason, people who may have acted on her orders or on her behalf. So why why why did she erase even a word of it, erase even a word of the evidence needed to exonerate her and her staff, when she KNEW where it would lead? What was in there which was worth having staffers sent to prison and all the other easily foreseeable consequences? Yoga? Wedding plans? Love notes? Think about it, John, why did Nixon and Clinton go to such extraordinary lengths?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>