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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p>There is of course this old (by now) take on it:<o:p></o:p></p><p>"What do I care for your suffering? …<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There is an even older take on it. The whole notion of circumcision started as a plot used by the sons of Jacob (grandsons of Isaac, great grandsons of Abraham), to rob and slay their enemies. Circumcision was written up in the history book (there was only one) after the fact to pre-date this ugly incident found in the book of Genesis chapter 34, where the lesbian daughter of Jacob was raped by the local prince while her brothers were out having sexual relations with the livestock. The rapist prince fell in love with her so hard he agreed to have his foreskin cut. Apparently this prince was influential enough that he was able to get all the men to do it (perhaps by promising them beautiful 72 ewe calves in the afterlife.) Don’t take my word for it, read it for yourself:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=reg style='text-align:justify;line-height:15.75pt;background:#FDFEFF'><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-1.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>1</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-2.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>2</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-3.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>3</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-4.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>4</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-5.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>5</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-6.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>6</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to commune with him.</span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-7.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>7</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>it</i>: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=reg style='text-align:justify;line-height:15.75pt;background:#FDFEFF;orphans: auto;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-8.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>8</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-9.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>9</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And make ye marriages with us,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>and</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-10.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>10</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And ye shall dwell with us: and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-11.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>11</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-12.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>12</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=reg style='text-align:justify;line-height:15.75pt;background:#FDFEFF'><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-13.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>13</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-14.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>14</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>were</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>a reproach unto us:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-15.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>15</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>be</i>, that every male of you be circumcised;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-16.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>16</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-17.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>17</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=reg style='text-align:justify;line-height:15.75pt;background:#FDFEFF;orphans: auto;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-18.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>18</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-19.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>19</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>was</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>more honourable than all the house of his father.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-20.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>20</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-21.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>21</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>These men<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>are</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>it is</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-22.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>22</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>are</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>circumcised.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-23.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>23</span></b></a></span></span><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>Shall</span></i><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>be</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-24.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>24</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=reg style='text-align:justify;line-height:15.75pt;background:#FDFEFF;orphans: auto;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-25.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>25</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-26.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>26</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-27.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>27</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-28.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>28</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>was</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>in the city, and that which<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>was</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>in the field,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-29.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>29</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that<i>was</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>in the house.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-30.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>30</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>being</i>few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span class=reftext><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0092F2'><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/34-31.htm"><b><span style='color:#0092F2;text-decoration:none'>31</span></b></a></span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#001320'>And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>