<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> (why oh why are not American</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">teens exploring the limits of that particular absurdity? (I am so</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">disappointed in them.)) spike</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Huh? Please explain bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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>...I have the feeling that all this philosophising about pain and suffering<br>
<span class="">is all very well and good.<br>
But it will get thrown out as soon as raging toothache, bad migraine or<br>
gallstone blockage pain arrives.<br>
When you are writhing in pain, screaming for codeine, philosophy somehow<br>
doesn't seem that important. ;) BillK<br>
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</span>Well said sir. Nowthen, why do we subject babies to it? The justification<br>
questionable at best, when the risks are well known.<br>
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I had an idea. In those benighted times of my birth (60s) I would estimate<br>
97 percent of the students had circumcision (based on about one guy in a<br>
typical PE class of 30 was uncut.) OK so the argument was made back then<br>
that it is bad if boys get teased (he wasn't as far as I know.) So what<br>
happens in the transition, when the cut ones become the minority? Are they<br>
then singled out as undesirable religious cult minorities?<br>
<br>
So now since we are being all sensitive and gender all-inclusive, let us<br>
create a non-showers PE option in high schools. Some high schools already<br>
accept transfers of credits down from the local community college which have<br>
no-showers PE classes, such as bowling for instance. That would solve a<br>
problem of what to do when some girls don't want to shower in the presence<br>
of some dude who claims he feels female inside (why oh why are not American<br>
teens exploring the limits of that particular absurdity? (I am so<br>
disappointed in them.))<br>
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Or... we make accommodations that PE can be taken last period of the day, so<br>
that they have a practical option to not dress or shower in the locker room<br>
(they can just go home afterwards.)<br>
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Or... we build a third locker room for other (I do admit I am inherently<br>
curious enough to go into that one.)<br>
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Or... since we think Canada is so enlightened, let us make a law that<br>
medical insurance companies have the option of not paying for circumcision<br>
(and I don't understand why they would now (It isn't a medical necessity.))<br>
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Or... we create a circumcision awareness Kickstarter, buy ads on<br>
Babies-R-Us, explain to young mothers that this procedure is unnecessary and<br>
brutal, a throwback for when it was used to perpetrate mass murder (Genesis<br>
ch 34.)<br>
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Or... I have more ideas, but that boy I rescued needs attention.<br>
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spike<br>
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